Tanking Hero Experience - Revision history

Vagonuth: Removed information on pre-round damage, not applicable after the recent battle changes

2023-11-23T21:46:32Z

Removed information on pre-round damage, not applicable after the recent battle changes

Vagonuth: /* Elite Hero Areas (EHA) */

2022-02-25T20:30:53Z

Elite Hero Areas (EHA)

3nki: /* Frozen Wastes */

2021-10-10T21:17:08Z

Frozen Wastes

Belag: Emphasis on change

2012-10-17T14:47:44Z

Emphasis on change

Belag: meatshields

2012-02-15T18:09:44Z

meatshields

Belag: typo

2012-02-15T17:58:53Z

typo

Belag: Some formatting and aliases

2012-02-15T17:50:50Z

Some formatting and aliases

3nki: /* The Great Divide */

2012-02-14T17:11:45Z

The Great Divide

Belag: added to hero category

2011-12-18T12:06:19Z

added to hero category

Belag: Some more formatting

2011-11-11T13:55:22Z

Some more formatting

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	Tanking hero experience involves '''maximizing the amount of experience over time'''. Notice that I used the word time, not per run. If you have to wait a long time between runs, or need to farm an excessive amount of consumables per run, I consider that less efficient, as that is wasted time that could be spent running experience.		Tanking hero experience involves '''maximizing the amount of experience over time'''. Notice that I used the word time, not per run. If you have to wait a long time between runs, or need to farm an excessive amount of consumables per run, I consider that less efficient, as that is wasted time that could be spent running experience.
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−	~~=== One rounding monsters ===~~
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−	Maximizing the amount of experience you get over time has one major idea, and that is '''one rounding monsters'''. One rounding a mob involves killing it in one round using the preround hits (gained by having an emote from your kill alias and your hitters triggering off that emote) and the first round of combat, ideally before the mob even has a chance to hit you. A lot of new tanks don’t understand the importance of this concept. By one rounding monsters, you are simultaneously maximizing the damage you deal and minimizing the damage you take. If you successfully one round the monster while you are on top of it (via linkrefreshing), you will take zero damage. It is for this reason that so-called “elite” runners don’t need to run with cleric-types; consistent one-rounding and careful management of linkrefresh causes them to (almost) never get hit. The same reasoning also applies for not needing sky high AC- if you never get a chance to be hit, you can tank naked. Note that some areas don’t agree with linkrefreshing, and you will attack after the monster. Even in this scenario, you are reducing the monster to only one chance at hitting you.
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−	::'''NOTE''': If you are a hitter, you '''MUST''' have a kill trigger. If you don’t have a kill trigger, you are doing '''50%''' less damage than you should, and making the tank’s job a lot harder. If you don’t know how to write one, ask over a public channel. The AVATAR playerbase will probably know how to make one for your MUDclient. If you are a tank, ask your hitters to turn on their trigger if it’s off. It makes a huge difference.

	=== Usage of bots to heal ===		=== Usage of bots to heal ===

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 === Elite Hero Areas (EHA) ===
-I won’t talk about EHA because I don’t find them time/resource efficient.  The general theory applies just the same though, you’ll just need more hitters and 2-3 dedicated brandishers.  There is a map of the area on the wiki if you are interested in trying to learn the layout of the area.
+A well run EHA with a good group can provide some of the best XP in the game upwards of 20 to 25k XP. A typical run averages in the 15K XP range. However, with such rewards comes dangers such as difficult CRs, corpse eaters and animators. Angels are not allowed to assist with CRs here. For hero level 500+, this is somewhat mitigated with the spell [[Eulogy]]. You may also consider bringing [[Sulfurous Ashes]] for Wasps or [[Consecrated Ashes]] for Sems.
 == Leading Technique ==

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 The PP will take you to the top level of frozen wastes, where everything except snowbirds aggie.  The entrance into the glacier is found in the north end of the area.  I like to head south-ish at first and kill as many mobs as I can, then head north and find the down exit and clear all the mobs nearby.  After the first down, you can head 3s 3d into the main glacier.
-:To clear the main glacier: after 3d, k ice, s, k ice, e, k ice, s, k ice, w, k ice, w, k ice, n, k ice, n d s, k ice, e e, k ice, w s, k ice, w, k ice, e e, k ice, w 2n, k ice, n, k ice, w, k ice, 2e, k ice, portal out.  Make sure to loot the milks from the guardians when you kill them!
+:To clear the main glacier: after 3d, k ice, s, k ice, e, k ice, s, k ice, w, k ice, w, k ice, n, k ice, n d s, k ice, e e, k ice, w s, k ice, w, k ice, e e, k ice, w 2n, k ice, n, k ice, w, k ice, 2e, k ice, portal out.  Make sure to loot the [[Glacial Milk |milks]] from the guardians when you kill them!
 ==== Shogun ====

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	==== Deepways ====		==== Deepways ====
		+	'''Note:''' This area was changed in July 2012 to be run in groups of size <= 3. Anything above that will drastically reduce xp gained.
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	This area is even larger and also hard to explain. There are 4 main sections to this area: The northeast section (The Amphitheatre), the middle section (Fallen Angel Cave), the west section (Hall of the Mountain King/Steps of Durr), and the tunnel section. You will be using the scan/kill method, but following a path. I will try to explain the path I use with as much detail as possible. '''Note that the red eyes on scans are quest mobs, and are not worth killing for experience. Do not areaspell these to make them visible'''. If you ever see a monolith, head the opposite direction, as you’re leaving the area. If you ever kill a mob worth zero experience, head the opposite direction, as you’ve entered a different area.		This area is even larger and also hard to explain. There are 4 main sections to this area: The northeast section (The Amphitheatre), the middle section (Fallen Angel Cave), the west section (Hall of the Mountain King/Steps of Durr), and the tunnel section. You will be using the scan/kill method, but following a path. I will try to explain the path I use with as much detail as possible. '''Note that the red eyes on scans are quest mobs, and are not worth killing for experience. Do not areaspell these to make them visible'''. If you ever see a monolith, head the opposite direction, as you’re leaving the area. If you ever kill a mob worth zero experience, head the opposite direction, as you’ve entered a different area.

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 So what do you pick?  Get 3-4 hitters from the tier 1 group and you’ll probably one round nearly every popular hero area consistently, with the exception of Alpha Thule.  There are differences between a war who is sub101 vs a war who is 101+, but that is mitigated by lowhero experience bonus. A sub101 war is still probably better than anything in tier 2 - however diversity considerations may tip the balance either way.
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 === Healers ===
 If you’re new, and you’re not sure how your group will do, bring one.  They will provide you peace of mind and ensure that your run goes more smoothly.  With diversity playing a role, adding a healer is now a significantly smaller reduction in experience that before (it might even be free, see notes on diversity below).  I bring dru/cle/prs in my groups sometimes for this reason: I lose out on a small amount of experience, but I help them level.  And we do need more priests at lord tier.
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 * [[:Category: Transfigured Forest| Transfigured Forest]] (pp stone trickster)
-I don’t know these areas, sorry!  If you’re familiar with them, go ahead and fill them out.
+These are big and very swarmy areas. More info can be found on their individual pages.
 === Elite Hero Areas (EHA) ===

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 * [[:Category: Greed's Gallows|Upper Greed’s Gallows]] (pp barrel monkey)
 * [[:Category: Hamlet Of Kreigstadt| Hamlet Of Kreigstadt]] (pp otto)
-* [[:Category: Dream Steppes]] (pp displacer beast)
+* [[:Category: Dream Steppes| Dream Steppes]] (pp displacer beast)
 ==== Igecsoz ====

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 == Area Selection ==
-There are several popular areas to get experience, and the one you pick will greatly influence the amount you get per hour.  I’ll breakdown what I feel are some quality areas to learn, including detailed area descriptions.  '''Please note that for all these areas, I assume all your members have fly/passdoor/water breathing active.'''  Otherwise, you may at times be stopped because you lack these spells.
+There are several popular areas to get experience, and the one you pick will greatly influence the amount you get per hour.  The following contains some quality areas to learn, including detailed area descriptions.  All of these areas have their own pages about adventuring. '''Please note that for all these areas, I assume all your members have fly/passdoor/water breathing active.'''  Otherwise, you may at times be stopped because you lack these spells.
 Note that I’ve grouped these areas into relative danger only, ie how aggie the area tends to be. I run only in the areas in group 2 myself, and can still regularly do 10k runs.
 If you have very squishy hitters, you probably want to avoid groups 3 and 4.  Those two groups are very swarmy and aggressive, so unless you have someone who is willing to brandish your hitters may find themselves in danger of dying quite often.
 === Group 1: ===
-* '''Igecsoz''' (pp Ajuu)
+* [[:Category: Igecsoz| Igecsoz]] (pp Ajuu)
-* '''Upper Greed’s Gallows''' (pp barrel monkey)
+* [[:Category: Greed's Gallows|Upper Greed’s Gallows]] (pp barrel monkey)
-* '''Hamlet of Kreigstadt''' (pp otto)
+* [[:Category: Hamlet Of Kreigstadt| Hamlet Of Kreigstadt]] (pp otto)
-* '''Dream Steppes''' (pp displacer beast)
+* [[:Category: Dream Steppes]] (pp displacer beast)
 ==== Igecsoz ====
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 === Group 2: ===
-* ''' Lower Greed’s Gallows''' (pp pod manatee)
+* [[:Category: Greed's Gallows|Lower Greed’s Gallows]] (pp pod manatee)
-* '''Frozen wastes''' (pp snowbird)
+* [[:Category: Frozen Wastes| Frozen Wastes]] (pp snowbird)
-* '''Shogun''' (pp Pansho)
+* [[:Category: Shogun| Shogun]] (pp Pansho)
-* '''Deepways''' (pp leper)
+* [[:Category: Deepways| Deepways]] (pp leper)
-* '''Alpha Thule''' (pp selkie or Big Fish)
+* [[:Category: Alpha Thule| Alpha Thule]] (pp selkie or Big Fish)
 ==== Lower Greed’s ====
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 === Group 3: ===
-* '''The Great Divide''' (pp Wartha)
+* [[:Category: Great Divide| Great Divide]] (pp Wartha)
-* '''Morte Vallta''' (pp giant vulture)
+* [[:Category: Morte Vallta| Morte Vallta]] (pp giant vulture)
 ==== The Great Divide ====
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 Most mobs here are aggie and in many rooms there are several of them. Also many wander so there will be walk-ins. Therefore it's common for groupies to get aggied and then rescued, which sometimes takes a few rounds, so it's advisable to have a healer and/or groupies that have enough hp to withstand a couple rounds of hits fairly regularly; the damage adds up over the course of a run. If you're a smaller groupie it's worth bringing a few quaffs along, in case there's no healer.
-==== Morte ====
+==== Morte Vallta ====
 From giant vulture, head down.  Scan and kill.  Watch out for Colossus (A towering stone golem) and Azric (A blindingly bright light).  The first hits really really hard, the second takes forever to kill and casts annoying spells.
 === Group 4: ===
-* '''Graves of Reveria/Necropolis''' (pp mourning drow)
+* [[:Category: Graves Of Reveria| Graves Of Reveria]] (pp mourning drow)
-* ''' Transfigured Forest''' (pp stone trickster)
+* [[:Category: Necropolis| Necropolis]] (pp mourning drow)
 I don’t know these areas, sorry!  If you’re familiar with them, go ahead and fill them out.
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 == Leading Technique ==
-First of all, make sure that your kill command has an emote in front of it, ie alias k emote is killing %1:k %1.  This will allow your hitters to hit before the first round of combat begins.
+First of all, make sure that your kill command has an emote in front of it, ie alias k emote is killing %1:kill %1.  This will allow your hitters to hit before the first round of combat begins.
 So, what are you typing?  There’s exactly one order of commands you should be typing, and it goes as follows:
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 That’s it.  Easy, huh?  It just takes practice before you start running through mobs at breakneck speed.
 == End Notes ==

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 Tanking hero experience involves '''maximizing the amount of experience over time'''.  Notice that I used the word time, not per run.  If you have to wait a long time between runs, or need to farm an excessive amount of consumables per run, I consider that less efficient, as that is wasted time that could be spent running experience.
 Maximizing the amount of experience you get over time has one major idea, and that is '''one rounding monsters'''.  One rounding a mob involves killing it in one round using the preround hits (gained by having an emote from your kill alias and your hitters triggering off that emote) and the first round of combat, ideally before the mob even has a chance to hit you.  A lot of new tanks don’t understand the importance of this concept.  By one rounding monsters, you are simultaneously maximizing the damage you deal and minimizing the damage you take.  If you successfully one round the monster while you are on top of it (via linkrefreshing), you will take zero damage.  It is for this reason that so-called “elite” runners don’t need to run with cleric-types; consistent one-rounding and careful management of linkrefresh causes them to (almost) never get hit. The same reasoning also applies for not needing sky high AC- if you never get a chance to be hit, you can tank naked.  Note that some areas don’t agree with linkrefreshing, and you will attack after the monster.  Even in this scenario, you are reducing the monster to only one chance at hitting you.
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 ::'''NOTE''': If you are a hitter, you '''MUST''' have a kill trigger.  If you don’t have a kill trigger, you are doing '''50%''' less damage than you should, and making the tank’s job a lot harder.  If you don’t know how to write one, ask over a public channel.  The AVATAR playerbase will probably know how to make one for your MUDclient.  If you are a tank, ask your hitters to turn on their trigger if it’s off.  It makes a huge difference.
-Another important aspect is the proper usage of bots to heal, especially without a cleric.  Most areas have at least one uncursed room where you can recall set and pop back to Sanctum to quickly replenish your hp with bots.  Planning your run around these stops will take some prior experience, but will allow you to run without a cleric if your AC or hp are low.
+=== Usage of bots to heal ===
-Finally, we come to the aspect of AC.  You’ll often see a bunch of questions on herochat asking if some random amount of unspelled AC is enough to tank.  The answer is if you have an unenchanted set of b12 hero tank gear, you can tank.  Having higher is obviously helpful, but if you follow the above two concepts, you can easily overcome the AC/hp barrier.  If you absolutely need hard numbers, I will say that reaching -1250 spelled is probably not too hard and a good starting goal, and -1300 spelled is plenty (this is applicable for classes with shields.  Bld/monk are diffferent.  I would shoot for  -1150 AC minimum.  -1200 is a good first goal).  I run with -1330ish with full kra spells (including kra steel/bark) and it’s been enough to carry me ever since I had 1.1k hp.  Note that I like to bring a cleric when I tank with something with less than 1k hp, as the hit to exp is marginal if at all.
+Armor Class is obviously important while tanking. You’ll often see a bunch of questions on herochat asking if some random amount of unspelled AC is enough to tank.  The answer is if you have an unenchanted set of b12 hero tank gear, you can tank.  Having higher is obviously helpful, but if you follow the above two concepts, you can easily overcome the AC/hp barrier.  If you absolutely need hard numbers, I will say that reaching -1250 spelled is probably not too hard and a good starting goal, and -1300 spelled is plenty (this is applicable for classes with shields.  Bld/monk are diffferent.  I would shoot for  -1150 AC minimum.  -1200 is a good first goal).  I run with -1330ish with full kra spells (including kra steel/bark) and it’s been enough to carry me ever since I had 1.1k hp.  Note that I like to bring a cleric when I tank with something with less than 1k hp, as the hit to exp is marginal if at all.
 ::'''NOTE''': I have since intentionally nerfed myself and tanked without invincibility to have around -1220 AC.  The difference IS noticeable, but it can be mitigated with a healer and more usage of bot healing.  It DOES NOT mean you can’t tank with a lesser amount of AC.